Feb 11, 2026 Commissioners Court

[PUBLIC COMMENT]

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FAST. I WOULD JUST LIKE EVERYBODY TO KNOW WITH THE TEN COMMANDMENTS UPDATE. WE DO HAVE ALL THE FUNDING FOR THE NEW TEN COMMANDMENTS MONUMENT, AND WE'RE HOPING TO MOVE FORWARD

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SO I JUST WANTED TO ANNOUNCE IT TO ANYBODY THAT'S OUT THERE LISTENING TO TO GET WITH ME, IF YOU WANT TO BE PART OF THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE LARRY PARR. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS LARRY PARR, AND I'M FROM MONTVILLE. I'D JUST LIKE TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO CINDY LAWRENCE FOR THE GOP LINCOLN REAGAN DINNER. I THOUGHT SHE DID A FANTASTIC JOB. I ATTENDED, ALONG WITH A BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE HERE, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT EVENT. I ENJOYED SEEING THE GOVERNOR, AND I ALWAYS ENJOY SEEING LOIS COHORTS. I THINK SHE'S AN EXCELLENT SENATOR. I'M I'M GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT TACK. AS SOME OF YOU ALL KNOW, I WORK WITH THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT. I DO BELIEVE THAT THEY NEED A NEW BUILDING. I DO NEED TO EXPAND. WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT IS WHO GETS THE CONTRACT. I KNOW THAT THE ENTITIES HIRE THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, ISDS, THE COURTS, STUFF LIKE THAT. WHO HAS THE WHO HAS THE MAJORITY VOTE, WHICH I THINK IN THIS CASE IS THIS COURT. WHO'S GOING TO LET THE CONTRACT, WHO'S GOING TO OVERSEE THE CONSTRUCTION OR WHO'S OR WHO OR WHAT CONSTRUCTION COMPANY IS GOING TO ANSWER TO WHO, WHO'S GOING TO REPRESENT THE ENTITIES? SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST SADAKO. I THINK THAT SOME OF THEIR WORK IS I'VE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS FOR 40 SOMETHING YEARS. YOU ALL KNOW THAT. I THINK THEIR WORK IS ADEQUATE. I THINK THEY'VE DONE PRETTY MUCH THE BEST THEY CAN.

BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, IT'S LIKE SADAKO'S BUILDING DOGHOUSES FOR US. THEY'RE BUILDING. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE THEY DO ALL OUR WORK. I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME CHANCES FOR SOME OTHER CONTRACTORS. NOW, I KNOW THAT WE SAY, WELL, WE GO OUT FOR BID, BUT WE ALL KNOW THERE'S DIFFERENT KINDS OF CONTRACTS. AND SOMETIMES RFQS ARE GEARED FOR SOME. SO I'M GOING TO ASK, SINCE I, SINCE I SUSPECT THAT THE COURT'S GOING TO BE THE, THE LET'S CALL IT THE STRUCTURE MANAGER FOR THE ENTITIES, I'D LIKE TO SEE MAYBE A DIFFERENT CONTRACTOR IF IT'S APROPOS, JUST FROM THE STANDPOINT TO SEE HOW THE WORK GOES. I UNDERSTAND WHEN I WAS IN BUSINESS, I HIRED PEOPLE THAT I TRUSTED, BUT BY THE SAME TOKEN, THIS IS A PUBLIC. THESE ARE TAX DOLLARS, SCHOOL TAXES. THIS IS MY GRIPE. I HAVEN'T HAD A CHILD IN SCHOOL IN 40 YEARS, BUT I'M STILL PAYING THE TAXES, SO I STILL HAVE A VESTED INTEREST. SO I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU ALL TO MAYBE MAKE IT EASIER FOR SOME, MAYBE SOME LOCAL GUYS, CONSTRUCTION GUYS, LOOK AT RENOVATING THIS BUILDING. THIS IS NOT A BIG, DIFFICULT BUILDING TO RENOVATE. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE CHARLIE MCCOMB. HEY. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS CHARLIE MCCOMB. I'M A RESIDENT HERE IN WALLER COUNTY. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF DENNIS GOOSE GUZMAN, WHO'S PLANNING TO BE OUR NEXT STATE REPRESENTATIVE. DENNIS IS WEIGHING THE OPTIONS AND THE PROS AND CONS OF THE NEW PROPOSED TEXAS LAND THEME PARK. AND HE'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE CITIZENS OF WALLER COUNTY THEIR THOUGHTS, THEIR COMMENTS, AND THEIR CONCERNS. SO PLEASE REACH OUT TO ME, GRAB MY BUSINESS CARD, AND WE'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

NEXT WE HAVE. BEVERLY SKINNER. BEVERLY AND ANTHONY. WILL STEP DOWN. I'LL COME BACK TO HIM.

DANIEL FRANKLIN. GOOD MORNING. HOPE EVERYBODY'S DOING WELL. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE BIDS.

HOW MANY BIDS DO Y'ALL GET ON THESE THINGS? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, 1 OR 2 BIDS. THAT'S NOT ENOUGH BIDS ON ANYTHING. YOU NEED 10 OR 12. BUT ALSO, HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY SPENDING $10 MILLION OR HOWEVER MUCH IT'S GOING TO BE WHEN THE ROADS IN THIS COUNTY ARE JUNK? YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CALLED TO TRY AND GET STUFF FIXED. NOTHING HAPPENS. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I LIVE ON A GRAVEL ROAD, BEEN A GRAVEL ROAD FOR 90 YEARS. I TRIED TO SEE ABOUT GETTING IT PAVED.

IMPOSSIBILITIES. SO HOW DO YOU JUSTIFY? AND I KNOW Y'ALL HAVE OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING

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EVERY PART WAS BID OUT. YES. SO I WOULD I WOULD JUST CURIOUS. BUT, BUT. AND IN REGARDS TO THE TEN, THE $10 MILLION PRICE TAG, WALLER COUNTY IS, YOU KNOW, THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT APPRAISES FOR 40 PLUS TAX RATE. WE, OF COURSE, ARE ONE OF THE BIGGEST CUSTOMERS OF THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT. SO OF THAT AMOUNT, WALLER COUNTY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ROUGHLY PROBABLY 20%, 21%, 21%. SO THAT ENTIRE COST. SO WHEN WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE SPENDING THE MONEY ON ROADS AND STUFF, WE'RE NOT PAYING THE WE'RE NOT PAYING $10 MILLION.

NOW THAT WILL BE BORNE BY OTHER TAXING ENTITIES. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS, OF COURSE IT'S GOING TO BE FINANCED OVER TIME AS WELL. IT'S NOT ALL GOING TO BE PAID AT ONE TIME, BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS MORE ON NUMBER 35. I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT I DIDN'T WANT YOU TO MAKE YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT AND LEAVE AND NOT HEAR. NO, NO, I'M PLANNING ON STAYING FOR THE WHOLE THING. OKAY. VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

NEXT WE HAVE MELISSA HAGEMEYER. I'M NOT ABLE TO SPEAK NOW. AND ON 35 SPLIT IT. I MEAN YOU CAN CHOOSE. YOU CAN DO EITHER OR I MEAN I'M KEEPING TRACK OF TIME. SO IF YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL IF YOU'RE GOING TO SPEAK NOW YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES. SO I CAN SPEAK NOW AND HAND SOMETHING OUT AND THEN FINISH THE REST ON 3500. QUESTION IS AND SHE CAN SHE SPEAK NOW. SHE WANTS TO SPLIT HER TIME POSSIBLY. WELL YOU CAN YEAH. YOU CAN SPLIT YOUR TIME. SURE. AM I ABLE TO HAND OUT THE HAND OUT TO THE COMMISSIONERS? THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. I'M MELISSA HAGEMEYER AND I'M SPEAKING OUT TODAY AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN. AND I FEEL THERE'S BEEN VERY LITTLE TRANSPARENCY WITH THIS PURCHASE FOR WALLER COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT. MY NUMBER ONE CONCERN IS IT'S UNSAFE. AND LOCATION ON A HILL ON 55 MILES AN HOUR. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT OUR CITIZENS GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE, ESPECIALLY OUR ELDERS THAT STILL GO BACK AND FORTH TO THE COURTHOUSE OR TO THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT. AND THE OTHER THING IS THAT I DON'T THINK IT'S NEEDED. THE CURRENT OWNER SAID HE WOULD SELL THE BUILDING, AND I SPOKE OUT AT ANOTHER MEETING RECENTLY, SAYING THAT HE WOULD SELL THE BUILDING AND THEN THEY COULD ADD ON A 5000 SQUARE FOOT, TWO STORY BUILDING, WHICH HAD ALREADY BEEN TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY. AND I THINK THAT WE CAN CONSERVE SPACE AND DIGITIZE THE FILES THAT ARE THERE TO MAKE IMMEDIATE NEEDS SPACE FOR THESE NEW HIRES THAT SHE'S MENTIONING THAT IS NEEDED. AND THE OTHER THING IS THE COST. THE COST IS JUST GONE UP FROM 7.5 MILLION TO 10 MILLION. I THINK THAT ALL NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT AGAIN, BUT I'LL SAVE THE REST FOR 35. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE KRISTEN GUNDERSON. GOOD MORNING. I AM KRISTEN GUNDERSON. I AM SPEAKING OUT AS A CONCERNED CITIZEN. I LIVE IN WALLER. ABOUT ITEM NUMBER 35, ABOUT THE

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IT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN BACK TO THEM AND THEY NEED TO DO MORE DUE DILIGENCE. I WAS AT THE LAST WALLER APPRAISAL DISTRICT BOARD MEETING, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THEY SAY THAT THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR TWO YEARS, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING HAS BEEN RUSHED SINCE OCTOBER.

AND PLUS WE'VE HAD THE HOLIDAYS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT AS A BUSINESS OWNER, I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY NEED TO HIRE MORE PEOPLE TO DO THEIR JOB. I ALSO THINK THAT MAYBE AN EFFICIENCY.

CONSULTANT COULD COME IN AND HELP WITH THAT. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S LOTS OF FILE CABINETS, NOTHING'S BEEN DIGITIZED, AND IF THAT WERE TO BE DONE, WE COULD POSSIBLY START OUTSOURCING, HIRE PEOPLE TO WORK REMOTELY. THAT IS VERY COMMON THESE DAYS, AND THAT CAN HELP WITH THE STAFFING SHORTAGES AND ALSO THE SPACE. SO THAT IS ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO MAYBE SUGGEST TO THEM AS A SOLUTION. SOME OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE REGARDING THE PROPOSED FINANCIAL IMPACT TO WALLER COUNTY FOR THIS PROPOSED BUILDING. THE CAD HAS ALREADY BEEN INFORMED, WALLER ISD, THAT ITS SHARE OF THE COST WOULD INCREASE BY APPROXIMATELY 26.62%, BASED ON THE COUNTY'S FOUR QUARTER PAYMENTS TOTALING $854,945.25 IN 2025. THAT PERCENTAGE EQUALS ESTIMATED AN APPROXIMATE EXTRA 227,000 IN ANNUAL EXPENSES. AFTER REVIEWING THE CURRENT COUNTY'S BUDGET, MY FIRST QUESTION IS HOW DOES THE COUNTY PLAN TO ABSORB THIS INCREASE? SECOND QUESTION WOULD THIS ADDITIONAL COST ULTIMATELY BE BORNE BY THE WALLER COUNTY TAXPAYERS? THIRD, WOULD SPECIFIC DEPARTMENTS OR BUDGET LINES LINE ITEMS NEED TO BE REDUCED, DELAYED, CUT OR REALLOCATED TO COVER THE DIFFERENCE? OR DO YOU FORESEE OTHER ENTITIES INCREASING THEIR TAX RATES TO COVER THE ADDITIONAL COST? MY LAST QUESTION ADDITIONALLY, IS THIS INCREASE EXPECTED TO BE REOCCURRING AND HAVE A LONG TERM FUNDING PLAN BEEN IDENTIFIED? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. OKAY, NEXT WE HAVE RIPLEY WOODARD. I'D LIKE TO DEFER TO THE ITEM, PLEASE. OKAY. VERY GOOD. AND YOU'RE HERE ON NUMBER 24? YES, SIR. OKAY. VERY GOOD. NEXT IS BRANT RICE FROM. ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING, AND THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU JUST A LITTLE BIT OF MY BACKGROUND SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE PERSPECTIVE THAT I'M BRINGING. I'M A WALLET COUNTY RESIDENT, AND I'M ACTUALLY INVOLVED WITH SOME PROPERTIES RIGHT HERE IN TOWN.

BUT I ALSO HAD 20 SOME YEARS OF INVESTMENT BANKING EXPERIENCE. I RAISED OVER $40 MILLION FOR REAL ESTATE FOR COMPANIES LIKE HOME DEPOT, LOWE'S, DOLLAR TREE, TRACTOR SUPPLY, CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS, WAREHOUSES, STORES, ALL OF IT. SO I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD AWARENESS OF REAL ESTATE COSTS. I ALSO WAS A FOUNDER AND EARLY FOUNDER OF A COMPANY CALLED LIFETIME FITNESS, WHICH IS NOW A $5 BILLION REAL ESTATE FOCUSED COMPANY. YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THEIR CLUBS AROUND HOUSTON HERE, SO I HAVE THAT PERSPECTIVE AS WELL. I THINK THE PROPOSAL FOR THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT IS IS EGREGIOUSLY EXPENSIVE. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. THE THE WALLER COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT BOARD SAID THE LATEST ESTIMATE WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT, THE 10 MILLION PLUS COST IS APPROXIMATELY $634 PER SQUARE FOOT. YOU FOLKS BUILT THIS BEAUTIFUL COURTHOUSE FOR $759 PER SQUARE FOOT, TAKING THE $44 MILLION THAT IS PUBLICLY LISTED AS THE COST. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS EXACTLY THE PRICE, BUT THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I COMPARED IT TO. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT COST, COMPARED TO THIS COST, THIS NEW BUILDING IS 84% OF THE COST OF THIS BUILDING. THIS WALLER COUNTY APPRAISAL DISTRICT. IS THAT BUILDING GOING TO HAVE THIS FIT AND FINISH? DOES THAT SEEM LIKE THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO SPEND FOR SOMETHING THAT'S A RELATIVELY UTILITARIAN PURPOSE? THAT WOULD BE ONE POINT I WOULD MAKE. TWO OTHER THOUGHTS IN THE DATA THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO PULL OUT OF THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT. AS FAR AS SOME OF THEIR DOCUMENTS, THEY HAD A PROPOSAL TO BUILD A BUILDING IN WALLER IN THE BEACON'S LANDING DEVELOPMENT, AT A COST OF. I THINK THE PROPOSED COST WAS 18.3 MILLION. IT'S A DIFFERENT SIZED BUILDING. IT'S A DIFFERENT PROJECT. I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS DISCUSSED AS A 50,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, BUT IT WAS $366 PER SQUARE FOOT FOR A CUSTOM BUILDING THAT WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY BUILT TO THEIR USES AND NEEDS. THAT'S

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OKAY. I'M NOT SURE THEY UNDERSTAND. JUDGE. THEY ARE HERE. I'M NOT SURE THEY UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK. OKAY. DO THEY WANT TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT? NO. NO PROBLEM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. ANYBODY ELSE? THAT'S. EVERYBODY HAD SIGNED UP. ANYONE ELSE WANT TO GIVE PUBLIC COMMENT THIS MORNING? OKAY. BROOKE. IS GOING TO TALK. WHO'S GOING TO TALK? WE'LL SEE. YEAH. GOOD MORNING JUDGE AND COMMISSIONERS I JUST WANTED TO REMIND EVERYONE OF THE UPCOMING PUBLIC MEETING THAT WILL BE HELD AT THE PRECINCT FOUR ANNEX RELATIVE TO THE HVAC SAFETY ACTION PLAN. THAT'S GOING TO BE TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 24TH, FROM 6 TO 8 P.M. THANKS. AND JUST A LITTLE BIT FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW BACKGROUND ON THAT, IT'S A SAFETY ACTION PLAN. SO WHAT THIS IS THIS IS THROUGH HOUSTON-GALVESTON AREA COUNCIL. THIS THIS HAPPENS. IT'S WE DID ONE A FEW YEARS AGO WHERE WE IDENTIFIED MOST DANGEROUS INTERSECTIONS IN WALLER COUNTY. THIS IS BASICALLY ALSO WITH A TRANSPORTATION FOCUS, LOOKING AT GETTING PUBLIC INPUT AS TO AREAS OF CONCERN WHEN IT COMES TO SAFETY IN TERMS OF TRANSPORTATION IN WALLER COUNTY, HELPS US PUT TOGETHER A SAFETY ACTION PLAN SO WE CAN TARGET THOSE AREAS WHEN IT COMES TO ANYTHING, ESPECIALLY GRANT DOLLARS OR ANYTHING ELSE ALONG THOSE LINES. SO AGAIN, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, IF YOU'D LIKE TO PARTICIPATE, PLEASE SHOW UP FOR THAT MEETING AND GIVE YOUR INPUT. I'M SURE THERE ARE THERE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO GIVE INPUT ONLINE. DO YOU KNOW BROOKE? YES, THERE IS SO. SORRY. NO, NO. YOU'RE GOOD. THERE IS. SO THERE'S A FLIER THAT'S POSTED ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE. AND INCLUDED ON THAT FLIER IS A HYPERLINK. IF YOU'RE NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THE PUBLIC MEETING FOR ANY REASON, YOU CAN FILL OUT A SURVEY. AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ALSO BEEN A POST ON YOUR FACEBOOK PAGE, SIR, THAT INCLUDES THAT LINK AS WELL. AND WHEN IS THE MEETING? TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 24TH. WHAT WE'LL DO BETWEEN NOW AND THEN WE'LL REPOST ON JUDGE PAGES.

OKAY. AWESOME. SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYBODY ELSE LIKE TO MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT? I HAVE SOMETHING, JUDGE. GO AHEAD. I BROUGHT WITH ME TODAY A SPECIAL LOBBYING GROUP CONSISTING OF FOR MY GRANDCHILDREN. WOULD YOU STAND? MACK IS BACK THERE. HENRY, MABEL AND ALICE, WHO'S A SHORTER THAN. THERE SHE IS. OKAY. AND THEIR MOM, ANGIE. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO RECOGNIZE THEM FOR TAKING THE TIME TO IN THE MEETING. AWESOME. WELL, WELCOME. THANK YOU ALL FOR BEING HERE TODAY. THEY DO LOBBY ME REGULARLY. ALL RIGHT, JUDGE, I WANT TO MAKE A QUICK ANNOUNCEMENT. THIS WEEKEND IS THE KATY ISD FFA SHOW. THEY STARTED SHOWING ANIMALS YESTERDAY. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A PARADE SATURDAY MORNING.

THE WEATHER IS LOOKING A LITTLE ROUGH RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THEIR AUCTION SATURDAY AT THE ROBINSON PAVILION THERE ON KATY HOCKLEY CUTOFF ABOUT 12:00. THEN THE FOLLOWING FRIDAY, FRIDAY THE 20TH IS GOING TO BE THE HEMPSTEAD ISD LIVESTOCK SHOW.

IT'S GOING TO BE HELD AT THE FAIRGROUNDS. I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT 6:00. AND THEN THE FOLLOWING FRIDAY IS WALLER ISD FFA SALE. SO IT'S A FANTASTIC GROUP OF YOUNG PEOPLE.

THEY WORK HARD ALL YEAR ON THEIR PROJECTS, AND IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT AND

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[CONSENT AGENDA]

ALL OPPOSED. CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED. ALL RIGHT. MOVING RIGHT ALONG. THAT WILL NOW

[COUNTY ENGINEER]

WELL, I DIDN'T WANT TO. NO. GO AHEAD. THAT'S FINE. SO THE THE LANDOWNER. I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT, BUT WE CAN BARELY HEAR YOU. YOU CAN BARELY HEAR ME. OKAY. IS THAT BETTER? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH THE LANDOWNER THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY JUST NORTH OF THE INTERSECTION OF KICKAPOO AND JOSEPH ROAD. AND THAT YOU CAN NOW, YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR SCREEN THAT THERE'S A SHELTER. IT'S A LARGE BUILDING THERE. THERE'S A SMALL CHURCH. THE OWNER OF THIS PROPERTY IS BASICALLY A NONPROFIT, IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, AND THEY ARE INTERESTED IN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, ONE, THEY'RE INTERESTED IN POSSIBLY DONATING THE BULK OF THIS LAND TO THE COUNTY FOR A COUNTY PARK. OKAY. AND IT'S BEAUTIFUL. AND IT IS REALLY VERY NICE. LAND THE CORNER NOW WHERE YOU SEE WHERE KICKAPOO GOES NORTH, RIGHT THERE. WE HAVE BEEN ALSO NEGOTIATING WITH THEM TO PURCHASE THAT, THE CORNER THERE TO BUILD THE NEW PRECINCT TWO ANNEX AS WELL. SO WE WOULD HAVE AN ANNEX ON THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD HOUSE THE JP'S OFFICES, THE CONSTABLE'S OFFICES, AND THEN SOME ADMINISTRATIVE WE, YOU KNOW, COULD HAVE, FOR EXAMPLE, A CLARK COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE THERE, AS WELL AS MAYBE A TAX OFFICE. SO IT WOULD BE IN THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE AS WELL.

SO WE'VE BEEN NEGOTIATING THAT PART. WHAT THIS INVOLVES IS BASICALLY TALKING ABOUT THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN AND THE CURRENT LINES THAT WE HAVE ON THE MAP, AND WHETHER THOSE NEED TO BE MODIFIED OR CHANGED BASED ON THE FACT ON WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS PROPERTY. SO THAT'S JUST SOME BACKGROUND. WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A YEAR, AT LEAST A YEAR. BEAUTIFUL PROPERTY WOULD BE AND IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE NICE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING A NEW ANNEX FOR PRECINCT TWO AND PRECINCT THREE. SO IT WOULD BE YOU KNOW, THIS WOULD BE A PLUS.

IT WOULD GIVE US ON SITE SECURITY FOR THE PARK. THE LARGE BUILDING IS SOMETHING THAT ACTUALLY COULD BE, WE THINK COULD BE REPURPOSED FOR A COMMUNITY CENTER THAT COULD ALSO ROLE AS A SHELTER DURING MAJOR WEATHER EVENTS AND SO FORTH. AS FOR RED CROSS OR WHOEVER, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO. SO WITH THAT BACKGROUND, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO ROSS SO ROSS CAN TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENT OPTIONS WE'RE LOOKING AT. YEAH, LET ME MAKE ONE. ACTUALLY, WHEN THE GUY APPROACHED US, HE ACTUALLY SAID THEY WHAT THEY WANT TO DO IS ENTER INTO A LONG TERM LEASE FOR A VERY NOMINAL FEE. SO WE WON'T BE ACQUIRING TITLE TO THE PROPERTY OTHER THAN THAT CORNER, WHICH WE WILL HAVE TO DO IN ORDER TO BUILD THE ANNEX ON. BUT THE REST OF IT IS GOING TO BE A LONG TERM LEASE. YEAH, LIKE A 99 YEAR LEASE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND THEY WOULD ACTUALLY RETAIN THE PART THAT HAS THE CHURCH LOCATED ON IT. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE'RE THE COUNTY, I THINK URIEL HAS WANT TO GET INTO MANAGING A CHURCH. HE'S NOT HERE TODAY. THERE HE IS. THERE HE IS. I CAN'T GET USED TO YOU GUYS BEING UP HERE ON THIS THING. I THINK YOU'VE ALSO HAD SOME INVOLVEMENT THERE ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD BE STRUCTURED TOO, RIGHT? YES. SO WE WOULD. WE WOULD BE LEAVING THE CHURCH AND I BELIEVE THEY WANTED TO BUILD A CONVENIENCE STORE IN THE AREA. THOSE WOULD REMAIN UNDER THEIR OWNERSHIP, SO WE WOULDN'T HAVE ANY PART IN HOW THEY USE THAT TRACK. THIS BUILDING USED TO BE PART OF A RECOVERY ADDICTION RECOVERY CENTER THAT USED TO BE OUT THERE. SOME OF YOU THAT ARE LONG TIME RESIDENTS WILL PROBABLY REMEMBER IT, BUT NOW IT'S VACANT. ALL RIGHT. SO JUST

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SO AS DEVELOPMENTS OCCUR AND AND AREAS ARE PLATTED, WE PRESERVE THAT RIGHT OF WAY. AND SO THIS IS A, A PLANNING TOOL THAT WE USE THAT IDENTIFIES THAT NORTH SOUTH CORRIDOR. I DON'T WANT THE CITIZENS TO HEAR THAT. HEY, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS NEXT YEAR, THIS ROAD NEXT YEAR. IT'S JUST IDENTIFYING A NEED. BUT I THINK AT THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, AS AS THE COUNTY LOOKS AT DEVELOPING THIS AREA FOR COMMUNITY BUILDING AND A COMMUNITY SPACE, WE NEED TO REALLY KIND OF LOOK AT THIS AND SEE, DOES THIS NEED NEED TO BE SHIFTED, RIGHT? DOES IT NEED TO BE SHIFTED TO THE WEST. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND SO THAT'S THE INTENT OF THIS HEARING. WE HAVE ADVERTISED IT AND AND TRIED TO GET THE WORD OUT. AND HOPEFULLY YOU'LL GET SOME GOOD FEEDBACK ON HERE. BUT I HAD LJ, WHO IS OUR PROGRAM MANAGER, COME UP WITH A FEW OPTIONS. NOW. I'LL ZOOM IN HERE IN A SECOND. BUT OVERALL JOSEPH ROAD, YOU'LL SEE DOWN HERE, YOU'LL SEE THE FLOODPLAIN. 1488 IS UP HERE TO THE NORTHWEST, AND THE TIE IN POINTS, YOU'LL SEE THEY ALL KIND OF COME IN AT THE SAME AREA. WE WANTED TO BE PERPENDICULAR TO 1488 AND RETAIN THAT NORTH SOUTH ALIGNMENT TO THE NORTH OF 1488. BUT I ASKED LJ TO COME UP WITH, YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE, WE WANT TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO, TO THE PARCELS AND, AND STRUCTURES.

THAT'S THAT'S NUMBER ONE. WE ALSO HAVE TO MAINTAIN A NORTH SOUTH CORRIDOR FUNCTION. AND SO I HAD THEM LEAVE THE GREEN WHICH IS THE EXISTING ALIGNMENT. YOU'LL SEE HERE AS WE SAW ON THE AERIAL ON THE ON THE LAST SHOT IT CUTS THROUGH THE FLOODPLAIN THROUGH THE FLOODWAY.

THIS IS QUITE A BIT OF OF BRIDGE STRUCTURE HERE. SO A LOT OF COST. THERE ARE SOME IMPACTS.

THERE'LL BE IMPACTS TO THIS CHURCH HERE AT THE CORNER IN THE EXISTING THOROUGHFARE PLAN

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YEAH. I MEAN, I SEE THAT, YEAH. NO, I'M JUST JUST LOOKING AT DIFFERENT OPTIONS BECAUSE THAT STRAIGHTENS OUT ALL THE CURVES ON THE EXISTING KICKAPOO BUT AVOIDS THE FLOODPLAIN. AND THEN THE OTHER THING, COMMISSIONER, IS THAT WE PART OF THAT RED LINE ACTUALLY OCCUPIES THE EXISTING KICKAPOO, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A LOT LESS RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION. WELL, AND FOR THE ULTIMATE GOAL, I MEAN, I SEE YOUR POINT THAT JUST GETS YOU HALFWAY THERE. SO WE DID THE WHEN WE DID THE SOLAR FARM, WE NEGOTIATED IN FOR SOME ALIGNMENTS TO KEEP THE PANELS OUT OF THE WAY OF THIS. AND SO WE CAN'T STRAY TOO FAR OFF OF THAT. ONE OF THE DIFFICULTIES IN, IN LOOKING AS FAR AHEAD AS WE HAVE TO LOOK IS THAT THINGS ARE HAPPENING AS ALL ALONG THAT KIND OF TEND TO TRY TO PUSH THAT THING BACK AND FORTH. YEAH, THAT IS A GOOD IDEA THAT YOU HAVE, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT GET US TOO FAR OFF OF THE OF THE GENERAL DIRECTION WE'RE TRYING TO GO WITH CHLOROFAIR. SO YEAH, IT'S A GOOD OBSERVATION. SO IF, IF IT WERE TO, TO TERMINATE HERE TO THE SOUTH OF THE FLOODPLAIN, WE STILL GOT, GOT TO GET OVER HERE TO YOU JUST MOVE THE DOGLEG FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD. YEAH. AND THEN AND THEN SO, SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN KIND OF THIS AS YOU LOOK TO THE NORTH TO GRIMES COUNTY, TRYING TO KEEP THAT THOROUGHFARE, THAT CORRIDOR. BUT BUT IT'S A GOOD POINT. WE DID ACTUALLY LOOK AT KIND OF PARALLELING THE THE PIPELINE A BIT AND THEN TRYING TO CROSS OVER. THERE WERE SOME ISSUES I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER. I THINK IT HAD TO DO WITH THE, THE THE CURVE, TRYING TO GET IT BACK UP HERE. WE COULD CROSS IT AT THE SKINNIEST POINT, COULDN'T THERE. CAN YOU GO DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT, ROSS. YES, SIR. CAN THERE ALSO BE A SOLUTION THAT IS A COMBINATION OF THESE? YES, SIR.

THERE IS. I MEAN, I'M, I'M LOOKING. IF YOU CAN GO, CAN YOU ZOOM OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, MAYBE A LITTLE BIT MORE TO WHERE I CAN SEE THE FLOODWAY. THERE YOU GO. YOU KNOW, I'M WONDERING HARD TO WHERE YOU'RE. YEAH. SO, SO THE GREEN LINE, LET'S JUST SAY WE WANTED TO MAINTAIN IF WE DECIDE TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT THOROUGHFARE UP TO THE FLOODWAY AND THEN CROSS OVER TOWARDS THE RED LINE AND PICK UP THE RED LINE, YOU KNOW, FROM THE GREEN TO THE RED, I'M BECOMES JUDGE THAT IT'S BISECTS THE PARK. THAT'S. YEAH. BUT I MEAN IT'S ALL RED. THE RED SWINGS TOTALLY EAST OF WHAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING WILL BE THE PARK. WELL EITHER WAY WE'RE GOING TO BISECT SOMEBODY. WE'RE GOING TO CROSS. YEAH, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT IN IN THE PARK. AND WHAT NEW THINGS THAT I THINK ARE IMPORTANT.

NUMBER ONE IS WE HAVE A GOOD PORTION OF THAT KICKAPOO RIGHT OF WAY ALREADY THAT JUST WILL NEED TO BE WIDENED. IF WE GO THROUGH WITH THE GREEN AS IT IS NOW, IT'S GOING TO GO SOME GO CLOSE TO THE CHAPEL THAT'S OUT THERE AND SPLITTING HAIRS BETWEEN THE CHAPEL AND THE EXISTING BUILDING. AND THEN JUST A LITTLE FURTHER TO THE RIGHT WILL BE THE THE COUNTY

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AND EVENTUALLY IT'S ALL GOING TO BE MOBILE OR MODULAR HOME KIND OF DEVELOPMENT THERE, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT THRILLED ABOUT IT, BUT WE DON'T DICTATE LAND USE. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THEY MEET SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS, THEN WE HAVE TO APPROVE IT. BUT I WILL SAY THIS AS FAR AS MOBILE HOME COMMUNITIES, IT'S I WOULD PUT IT ON THE HIGHER END BECAUSE THE, THE, THE THEY'RE NOT PACKED IN LIKE SARDINES AND LIKE A MODULAR. YEAH. MODULAR HOMES ARE DIFFERENT BECAUSE MODULAR HOMES ARE SOMETHING THAT ARE SET ON A PERMANENT SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. WELL, AND THE YELLOW LINE GOES RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF A LAKE. AND SO WE WOULD HAVE TO RELOCATE THAT. YEAH. THAT LAKE FOR DETENTION PURPOSES AND WETLANDS. SO SO ARE YOU ASKING US, ARE YOU ASKING US TO APPROVE ONE OF THOSE THREE LINES TODAY SO YOU CAN. YEAH, YOU CAN APPROVE NOTHING. YOU CAN APPROVE PORTION OF IT OR TELL ME TO GO BACK, DO SOME MORE HOMEWORK. OR WE CAN JUST HEAR WHAT THE CITIZENS SAY AND AND GET FEEDBACK. YEAH. WE DO HAVE AN INDIVIDUAL WHO SIGNED UP, SO I WANT TO DEFINITELY HEAR FROM HIM. OKAY. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD WAS. OBVIOUSLY AND I WANT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN. SO THE THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS MORE THAN ANYTHING, A PLANNING TOOL. AND BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE GET ASKED SO SO THE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE EXPECTATION IS THE COUNTY WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS ROAD, OKAY. ONE, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUILD THIS ROAD TODAY. BUT IF A DEVELOPER, FOR EXAMPLE, CAME IN AND BOUGHT A BIG CHUNK OF LAND IN THIS AREA AND THAT LINE'S GOING THROUGH, WE CAN TELL THAT DEVELOPER ONE, THEY EITHER HAVE TO RESERVE THE RIGHT OF WAY OR A LOT OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH, WE REQUIRE THEM TO BUILD THE THOROUGHFARE. THEY ARE GOING TO BUILD THAT ROAD THE MINIMUM, DEDICATE THE RIGHT OF WAY OR THE MINIMUM DEDICATE THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO THIS THIS IS A PLANNING TOOL FOR BECAUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE GO, WELL, THIS MEANS WELL, NO IT JUST BUT IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, 20, 30 YEARS FROM NOW. BECAUSE I DO KNOW THERE'S A THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS GOING IN ALL OVER THIS AREA AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT THE VOLUME OF TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY HIGHER. AND SO HOW DO WE PLAN TO ACCOMMODATE THAT AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS CONNECTED. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. MY QUESTION IS SINCE WE'RE LOOKING AT A THOROUGHFARE PLAN AMENDMENT, EVEN THOUGH IT IS A PLANNING TOOL, HAVE HAVE WE

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WE JUST WANT TO SAY WE'RE OPEN TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO THE POTENTIAL CHANGES THAT COULD COME FROM THIS, BUT NO OPPOSITION AT THIS TIME. OKAY.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THING. PEOPLE IN PRECINCT TWO, AS EVERYBODY KNOWS, WE HAVE VERY FEW NORTH SOUTH ROUTES THAT CAN GET YOU DOWN TO 290. AND SO PART OF THIS MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS TO TRY TO PRESERVE RIGHTS OF WAY SO THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, WE CAN OFFER. RELATIVELY SMOOTH TRANSIT FROM THE NORTH COUNTY LINE DOWN TO THE SOUTH COUNTY LINE, WHICH IS SPRING CREEK. SO THERE IS A NEED FOR US TO, TO TO RESERVE THESE RIGHTS OF WAY. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE SOME SORT OF A PLANNING TOOL, WHAT WE'LL END UP WITH IS THINGS GETTING BUILT DIRECTLY IN THE ROUTE. AND WE'LL LOOK LIKE WE'RE PLAYING SOME VIDEO GAME, TRYING TO SNAKE A ROAD THROUGH ALL OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS WHERE IF WE HAVE THIS PURPOSE OF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT WHAT THE OVERALL GOAL IS IN TRANSPORTATION FOR THE COUNTY AND MAKE SURE WE DON'T APPROVE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HINDER THE OBJECTIVE OF TRYING TO HAVE A NORTH SOUTH ROUTE THROUGH THERE.

ANYTIME. AS AS WE ALL KNOW, ANYTIME WE HAVE A HARD, HARD RAIN, THE CREEK COMES UP AND THERE IS NO TRANSIT OF NORTH AND SOUTH ACROSS THE CREEK. SO NOBODY CAN GET OUT TO THE SOUTH OR NOBODY CAN GET IN. WE HAVE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, TWO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS NORTH OF THAT CREEK THAT OUR CHILDREN ARE ATTENDING. WHEN WE HAVE A BIG RAIN, THEY CAN'T EVEN GET HOME SOMETIMES. SO WHILE THERE ARE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THIS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND WHAT THE OBJECTIVE IS. AND THE OBJECTIVE IS TO HAVE SAFE TRANSPORTATION ROUTES SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FREELY THROUGH THE COUNTY. AND. WHAT WE SUFFER WITH NOW IS THE FACT THAT WE WERE UP UNTIL ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO, A SMALL, SLEEPY COUNTY WHICH IS VASTLY GROWING. AND IF WE DON'T PRESERVE THESE ROUTES, THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIGGER PROBLEM THAN THAN WE EVEN HAVE NOW. SO I JUST WANTED TO STATE THAT AS THE REASON FOR THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN.

ROSS, CAN YOU ZOOM OUT JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE AND AND GO AND LOOK AT SOUTH OF JOSEPH? I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE RED ALIGNMENT. SO REALLY YOU GOT SOME YOU GOT SOME LARGER TRACKS TOWARDS THE BOTTOM. SO YOU'VE GOT AND THEY WILL BECOME SUBDIVISIONS ONE DAY. SO THIS HELPS US PRESERVE AT THE TIME THEY COME IN TO PLAN THOSE. YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE NOT IMPACTING AS MANY INDIVIDUAL LANDOWNERS. AND YOU AVOID IMPACTING THAT CHURCH WHICH YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO IMPACT THAT CHURCH EITHER WAY WITH THE OTHER TWO ROUTES. YEAH. IT'S NOT AN EASY OPTION. IT GETS YOU THE CONNECTIVITY AT SOME POINT. ALL RIGHT. JUDGE THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE CAN TABLE IT AND MAYBE ALLOW ROSS SOME TIME TO REACH OUT TO THOSE LANDOWNERS THAT MAY BE AFFECTED, GIVE THEM NOTICE AND TAKE THIS UP MAYBE IN A WEEK OR TWO. AND YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER KNOW. YOU MAY YOU THOSE NOTICES. YOU MAY YOU MAY GET MAYBE ONE OF THESE LANDOWNERS WHO HAS THE LARGER TRACK. THEY MAY SAY, WELL, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE NEGOTIATING WITH THE DEVELOPER RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, SO WE WOULDN'T MIND HAVING A THOROUGHFARE, YOU KNOW, THAT THOROUGHFARE THROUGH OUR DEVELOPMENT. LARRY, DO YOU WANT

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THE SPRING CREEK DRAINAGE, I FORGET THE PROPER NAME FOR IT. WITH THIS IMPACT THAT WERE THEY'RE TRYING TO DO THAT SPRING CREEK. PARDON ME. YES. THANK YOU. NO, THIS PART WON'T.

IT'S SO THIS IS AWAY FROM THAT NORTH OF TO 1488. OKAY. THAT WAS MY QUESTION IS, IS HOW? BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THAT'S GOING TO ENCOMPASS A LOT OF LAND AND A LOT OF WATER SUPPOSEDLY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR STILL MOVING FORWARD. THE COST BENEFIT RATIO IS GRADUALLY APPROACHING ONE. IT'S BEEN IN THE IT'S BEEN IN AN INVERTED STATUS UP TO NOW. AND BY THE WAY, NOW IT'S PARTIALLY I'D SAY 50% OF THAT RESERVOIR IS FILLED UP WITH SOLAR PANELS NOW. SO I KNOW THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THAT COST BENEFIT RATIO IS GOING TO IMPROVE IS CLOSE TO ZERO. I WOULD THINK. I THINK THAT YOUR ALMA. ALMA. RIGHT. IT IS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? WE'RE STILL IN THE PUBLIC HEARING. YES, SIR. MR. FRANKLIN. FIRST QUESTION IS, WHEN DO YOU FIGURE THIS MIGHT HAPPEN? BECAUSE THE RED LINE.

YOU KILL ME, WHICH I HAVE JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT IT. BECAUSE I AM RIGHT THERE AT OLD JOSEPH AND JOSEPH ROAD. WHICH PROPERTY IS YOURS, SIR? BE ON THE EAST SIDE. OKAY. THREE MILE RUNS THROUGH IT. WELL, TAKE THAT RED ONE. ZOOM IN. ROSS. NO, I'M ASKING THE QUESTION OF WHEN AND DANIEL FRANKLIN. ROSS. SO THAT PIECE RIGHT THERE GOES DOWN THE NORTH SOUTH PORTION OF THE CREEK. ARE YOU WHERE THE ACTUAL CREEK IS? BECAUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE WAYS TO THE TO THE EAST, I THINK. MR. NEIL. YEAH. THE KICKAPOO. OKAY. SO THAT'S THIS SIDE OF THE WAY I WAS LOOKING AT IT ON THAT MAP, IT LOOKS LIKE. SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE ON THE WEST END OF OLD JOSEPH ROAD AND. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO THE WAY I WAS SEEING IT, BECAUSE I CAN'T SEE THAT FAR, I AIN'T GOT MY GLASSES. AND YOU ARE GOING TO BE ABOUT 30 ACRES OVER FROM ME. BUT THAT PORTION THERE TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALREADY AN EXISTING ROAD THERE, WHICH I WOULD ASSUME IS PROBABLY 50FT OR SO WIDE. WHAT, THAT OLD JOSEPH. YES. YES, IT'S I THINK THERE'S LIKE A 60 FOOT EASEMENT IN THERE. RIGHT. AND SO IT'S SIMPLY GOING TO GO FROM A 60 TO 120. SO IT WOULD BE 30 MORE FEET ON EACH SIDE THAT WELL THAT'S FINE. BUT THE WAY I WAS LOOKING AT IT I'M GOING OKAY. THAT'S RIGHT ON THE EAST SIDE OF OLD JOSEPH. BUT BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF BLURRY. YEAH. SO IT IT STILL AFFECTS ME. SO WHAT ARE YOUR PLANS FOR DETENTION. BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IMPERVIOUS SURFACES. YOU'RE GOING TO CLEAR OUT STUFF THAT HOLDS WATER BACK. IT'S GOING TO MAKE THAT CREEK GO CRAZY. BECAUSE LIKE I SAY, YEAH, WE GET A HARD RAIN. IT'LL FLOOD.

IT HASN'T BEEN OUT OF THE BANK IN TWO YEARS. NOW, WHAT'LL HAPPEN IS, FIRST OFF, IT'S NOT LIKELY. I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING PROBABLY A COUPLE OF DECADES DOWN THE ROAD. WHAT? WE'RE.

I'LL BE. I'LL BE DEAD AND GONE. SO IT WON'T WHAT WE'RE AFTER. NONE OF US PROBABLY BE HERE.

WHAT WE'RE AFTER HERE IS TRYING TO PREVENT ANYTHING SUBSTANTIAL BEING BUILT IN THE PAST. THE WAY. THE WAY HE WAS SAYING IT IS LIKE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE IN THE NEXT YEAR OR TWO. OH, NO NO NO NO NO, NO, AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, THE ROADS, THE ROADS WE NOW HAVE NEED ATTENTION. SO.

OH YEAH, THE BAD. BUT BUT. ANYTHING THAT'S DESIGNED IN THAT CORRIDOR WILL HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE IMPACT ON DRAINAGE, THE IMPACT ON TRAFFIC. I MEAN, ALL THE IMPACTS OF DOING IT WILL HAVE TO BE TAKEN CARE OF WHEN IT'S DONE AT THE TIME. BUT LIKE I SAY, EVEN COMING IN ON THE WEST SIDE OF OLD JOSEPH, IT STILL IMPACTS ME TO A POINT. SURE. YES, SIR. BUT IF IT'S 1020 YEARS AWAY, I WON'T BE HERE. SO YEAH, LET MY LET MY CHILDREN DEAL WITH IT.

KIDS WILL BE GLAD THEN, BECAUSE THEY OWN LAND ON A MAJOR THOROUGHFARE. SO. ALL RIGHT, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. SO. AND TO ANSWER THE QUESTION ABOUT DETENTION, I HAVE ONE COMMISSIONER THAT SAYS ROSS, NO SMALL DETENTION PONDS MAKE THE DEVELOPERS INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE SUBDIVISION. SO THAT'S WHAT WE TYPICALLY TRY TO DO, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR MOBILITY

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IT IS 10:04 A.M. AND WE WILL NOW CLOSE THAT PUBLIC HEARING THAT WILL NOW BRING US TO 25, MAYBE BEFORE WE HAVE THE MOTION. WELL, THIS IS THE ONE DIDN'T WANT TO DELAY THIS. WE CAN WE CAN WITHDRAW THE ITEM. CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION BEFORE WE DO THAT? WHAT IS WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO DO ON MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLANS IN TERMS OF NOTIFICATION? OR. YEAH, I MEAN, FROM A PURELY LEGAL STANDPOINT, NOT SAYING I'M GOING TO ADVOCATE FOR THAT. I'M JUST CURIOUS AS TO WHAT IT IS THAT WE HAVE TO DO BY BY LEGISLATION, DO WE? PROBABLY TWO WEEKS LIKE ANY OTHER, LIKE A STOP SIGN OR. WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT NEXT WEEK. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF WEEKS. BUT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JUDGE OR WHOEVER BROUGHT IT UP? MAIL OUT NOTICES. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JUST PUBLIC NOTICE? NO, I TOLD A COUPLE TOWN HALLS OUT THERE. I MEAN, WE COULD DO IT THAT WAY. OR, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT, LET'S JUST SAY WE'RE LOOKING AT I MEAN, WE COULD KIND OF INDICATE WHICH WAY WE'RE GOING, BUT I WOULD I WOULD GIVE NOTICE TO PEOPLE THAT ARE WITHIN OR WHOSE PROPERTIES ARE IMPACTED. WELL, YOU HAVE A RADIUS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT DOING A LOT MAIL OUTS FOR OTHER THINGS FOR, FOR REPLANTS LIKE A HALF A MILE OR A MILE OR SOMETHING. NO, IT'S NOT THAT MUCH. IT'S 500FT. I THINK IT'S 500FT FOR REPLAT.

I MEAN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THERE'S VERY MANY RESIDENTS THAT LIVE THERE TO BEGIN WITH. SO IT SHOULD BE MINIMAL. BUT I JUST WANT THEM TO HAVE THAT TO KNOW THIS IS HAPPENING. I'M NOT AGAINST IT. I'M JUST SAYING WE'RE TALKING 20 SOMETHING A ROAD THAT PROBABLY WON'T GET DONE FOR DECADES. BUT YOU KNOW. I KNOW WHAT YOU ALL ARE SAYING. IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WANT FEEDBACK. SO IF YOU WANT TO ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING, YOU JUST HAVE TO MEET THOSE REQUIREMENTS. AND WE HAD PLENTY OF TIME TO DO THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST HAVING A SHORTER COMMISSIONERS MEETING NEXT WEEK.

AND. SO, ROSS, COULD YOU REACH OUT TO THOSE PEOPLE IN 3 TO 4 WEEKS? YEAH. IF WE WANTED TO, THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME TO REACH OUT TO THE RESIDENTS? I WOULD JUST I WOULD JUST MAIL NOTICE. WHAT I WOULD DO IS LOOK AT THE CALENDAR. LET'S PICK A FUTURE MEETING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE HEARING AGAIN OR HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT AND THEN MAIL NOTICES TO PEOPLE THAT ARE ALONG THE IMPACTED RALLY. IF, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REST OF THE COURT IS THINKING TO ME, I MEAN, TO ME, THE IF WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO KEEP THIS AS A PUBLIC PARK, AN AMENITY FOR THAT WHOLE COMMUNITY, NOT IMPACT THE CHURCH, AND LOOK AT A ROUTE THAT ACCOMPLISHES WHAT WE NEED, CROSSES THE CREEK AND IMPACTS, MAKES AS MUCH OF THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY AS POSSIBLE. I THINK THE RED ROUTE SEEMS TO BE OKAY, BUT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT AS BECOMING A POLICY? BECAUSE IF WE DO IT ON THIS ONE, THEN WE'LL HAVE TO DO IT EVERY TIME WE AMEND. SO AND I'M NOT SAYING I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

I'M JUST BRINGING UP THE FACT THAT WE WOULD BE SETTING A PRECEDENT FOR HOW WE CONDUCT.

REVIEW OF THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE PLAN. SO IF WE DO IT HERE, WE'LL HAVE TO DO IT EVERYWHERE. WE DO IT WELL, WHEN WE WHEN WE AMENDED, WHEN WE UPDATED OUR THOROUGHFARE PLAN IN 2017, I SEEM TO RECALL THERE WAS A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC INPUT. YEAH, WE HAD TOWN HALLS AND WE HAD NOTIFICATIONS. BUT I THINK HE'S TALKING ABOUT IN THE PAST WE'VE WE'VE MODIFIED IT WITH DEVELOPERS HERE AND THERE, HERE AND THERE. AND TYPICALLY, IF MEMORY SERVES ME CORRECTLY, IT WAS REALLY ONLY IMPACTED THE DEVELOPER'S FOOTPRINT. WELL, NOT NECESSARILY, BUT THINK ABOUT IT. I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IF THE IF THE THOROUGHFARE CURRENTLY ENTERS A PERSON'S PROPERTY AT A CERTAIN POINT AND THE TRACK TO THE SOUTH OF THAT

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THIS WAS NOTICED. NOW I KNOW A LOT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T. THEY DON'T GO AND LOOK AT THESE, THESE DEALS I GET THAT. BUT THEN AGAIN, IF IT'S AN AGENDA ITEM, I STILL I STILL GOING TO GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON AN AGENDA ITEM. AND THAT'S WHAT IF THEY'RE HERE AND THEY'RE A PROPERTY OWNER, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING PER SE FOR US TO RECEIVE INPUT. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IS IF WE'RE GOING TO REACH OUT INDIVIDUALLY, WE DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO NOTICE A NEW PUBLIC HEARING. THEY CAN SHOW UP AND GIVE THE EXACT SAME COMMENT, REACH OUT TO US DIRECTLY. THEY CAN REACH OUT TO THE COMMISSIONER OR ROSS OR EVEN MYSELF AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M GOOD WITH IT, OR I'M NOT GOOD WITH IT, OR I WISH I WOULD GO WITH THE YELLOW ROUTE, BUT I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND THEN IF THEY WANT TO COME TO COURT AND SPEAK IN A PUBLIC SETTING, THEY CAN DO SO. SOME PEOPLE AREN'T COMFORTABLE WITH THAT. YEAH, BUT I WANT THEM TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE CONSIDERING. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S KIND OF A LITTLE BIT OF A DUE PROCESS KIND OF THING. I MEAN, THEIR PROPERTY COULD BE IMPACTED AT SOME POINT IN TIME, NOT ANYTIME SOON, BUT AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

SO PEOPLE MIGHT WANT TO SOMEBODY MIGHT BE PLANNING RIGHT NOW TO DO A REMODEL AND STUFF, OR THEY MIGHT WANT TO PLAN ON PUTTING A HOUSE PAD RIGHT THERE ON THAT RED LINE.

THEY SHOULD NOTICE. JUDGE, I MAY REQUEST FROM THE COURT IF IF THERE'S SOME KIND OF.

ALTERNATIVE OR SOME OTHER KIND OF ALIGNMENT YOU WANT US TO LOOK AT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

AND WE CAN WE CAN INCLUDE THAT IN OUR ANALYSIS. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S I MEAN, REALLY I THINK THE CHOICES YOU ALL PUT ON THE TABLE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE A WHOLE LOT.

NO. THAT'S GOING TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE. ANY MORE THAN THAT ONE. YEAH. YES. JUST SINCE Y'ALL ARE DEBATING WHETHER TO NOTIFY OR NOT, THESE ARE A LOT OF MY PEOPLE STILL RIGHT THERE. AND I KNOW THE PEOPLE AT THE CHURCH AND THE PEOPLE ON OLD JOSEPH. SO I JUST THINK THAT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO NOTIFY THEM. THEY JUST DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW TO FIND THE AGENDA ITEMS. I'M TRYING TO EDUCATE PEOPLE AND SEND THEM WHEN I SEE, SEE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE RELATED. SO I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THIS, THAT CHURCH, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THAT CHURCH, AND I KNOW, IN FACT, SOMEBODY RECENTLY WAS NOT HAPPY BECAUSE DURING ON SUNDAY THEY WERE PARKING DOWN THE RIGHT OF WAY ON JOSEPH. BUT IT TURNS OUT THEY ASKED THE CHURCH, ACTUALLY, YEAH, IT'S A COMPLICATED FIRST OFF, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING ACTUALLY HELPS THE CHURCH. OKAY. IT MOVES THAT INTERSECTION AWAY FROM THEM. SECONDLY, THEY THEY WITHOUT PERMITS, THEY CAME IN AND BUILT A PARKING LOT ON THEIR PROPERTY. BUT IT ALSO THE PROPERTY GOES OUT TO THE EDGE OF THE ROAD. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THE SAFETY ISSUES THAT ARE THERE. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS BRING ATTENTION AWAY FROM THAT INTERSECTION TO MAKE IT A LITTLE SAFER SITUATION. SO WE'RE NOT DOING THIS WITHOUT

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I'M, I'M SENSITIVE TO MY PROPERTY JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE'S TO THEIRS. BUT THEN. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, THE IMPACTS OF OF WHAT WE DO. WE CAN'T JUST DO IT FOR ONE PARCEL, ONE AMENDMENT WE HAVE TO DO. IF WE DO IT FOR ONE, WE HAVE TO DO IT FOR ALL OF THEM. SO THAT'S ONE THING THAT I'VE ALWAYS BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT AS I'VE BEEN ON THE COURT, IS MAKING SURE IF WE DO IT FOR ONE, WE DO IT FOR ALL. AND WHAT COMES ALONG WITH THAT? SO I'M OKAY WITH DELAYING THE VOTE AND AND WHATEVER FORM A NOTIFICATION THAT URIEL FEELS LIKE IS APPROPRIATE. THAT'S WHAT I'M I'M OKAY WITH DOING THAT TOO. THIS ISN'T BEING DONE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. WE'RE IN A PUBLIC MEETING NOW, SO I JUST WANT TO KEEP THE PROCESS AS WORKABLE AS WE CAN. BUT BEING SENSITIVE TO THE FACT THAT PEOPLE ARE IMPACTED NO MATTER WHAT WE DO. RIGHT. AND I THINK THAT THAT THAT GOES WITHOUT SAYING. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, ONE OF THE THE CURRENT, THE CURRENT RIGHT OF WAY WOULD IMPACT. I MEAN, YOU LOOKED AT THAT CHURCH AND THE PARKING LOT, YOU TAKE 60 FOOT OR 30 FOOT OR WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO NEED OUT OF THAT PARKING LOT. THAT CHURCH WILL NOT BE. THEY WON'T HAVE ANY PLACE TO I MEAN, THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO CONTINUE OPERATING CHURCH AT THAT LOCATION. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THOSE KIND OF IMPACTS AS WELL. IT'S HARD. SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE IMPACTED ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. AND I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE TERM MY PEOPLE MEANS UNTIL THE END OF THIS YEAR. THEY'RE MY PEOPLE, SO I HAVE AS MUCH CONCERN FOR THEM AS YOU DO. I GUARANTEE YOU THAT, OKAY. I JUST AM CONCERNED WITH PUBLIC NOTICES. I FEEL LIKE PEOPLE DON'T READ NEWSPAPERS ANYMORE. IT'S JUST WE I THINK WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT MAYBE A DIFFERENT WAY WITH PUBLIC NOTICES FOR EVERYONE, BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO HELP DO THAT, MAYBE THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA, WHICH IS NOT THE BEST WAY. SO I MEAN, EVEN WHEN YOU PUT IT OUT, SOCIAL MEDIA IS STILL PEOPLE TURN UP. THEY'RE LIKE, I DIDN'T I HAD NO IDEA. IT'S LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO. THANK YOU. BUT THANK YOU ALL FOR WELL, I THINK JUST A WRITTEN, YOU KNOW, A NOTIFICATION THAT THERE WILL BE A HEARING AND, YOU KNOW, TO TO LANDOWNERS WITHIN A CERTAIN DISTANCE OF THE PROPOSED ALIGNMENT THAT AT LEAST GIVES EVERYBODY AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND WITHDRAW AND WE'LL GET SOME NOTICES OUT AND GET THIS ON A FUTURE AGENDA. YES, SIR. OKAY EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. THEN 25 WILL BE WITHDRAWN. LET'S GO AHEAD 27 AND 28. NO, 20 OH, 26, 27, 26 AND 27 WILL BE REMOVED TO, I THINK, THE MARCH 4TH MEETING. SO LET'S TAKE UP 28 MOTION. OKAY. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION AND SECOND ON 28. OH THIS IS DOWN ON WOODS AND JORDAN RANCH. SO THIS IS RIGHT OF WAY AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY AND THE ROAD AND THE RID OR THE KINGSLAND BOULEVARD PROJECT BETWEEN WOODS AND JORDAN RANCH. SO WHAT? ROSS.

ROSS, WHAT? I MEAN, I'M TRYING TO THINK IS LIKE, WHAT? WHAT ARE WE DOING THAT HADN'T BEEN DONE PRIOR? THIS IS JUST AN AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE DEVELOPMENT TO BASICALLY ASSIGN RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAINTENANCE OF THE IRRIGATION, IRRIGATION AND LANDSCAPING. OKAY. I JUST LIKE TO HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF COURT SO THAT IF THERE'S A QUESTION IN THE FUTURE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT OUT THERE REPLACING PAVERS AND WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, FIXING IRRIGATION LINES. IT'S CLEAR AND EVERYONE KNOWS EXPECTATIONS. OKAY. GOTCHA. VERY GOOD. ALL RIGHT.

ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON 28 HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ALL

[PROCUREMENT ]

AND SECOND. JAMIE, WHAT ARE WE DOING? GOOD MORNING. JUST A LITTLE HISTORY. THE COUNTY RECEIVED A COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FROM GLOW FROM FOR FLOOD AND

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[DIRECTOR OF FACILITIES ]

GO AHEAD AND WALK US THROUGH. OKAY. 30 IS THIS BUILDING AND THE THIRD FLOOR. CONTINUE TO BE VERY PLEASED WITH THE THIRD FLOOR PROGRESS. WE'RE REALLY WRAPPING IT UP UP THERE. WE'LL BE ON SCHEDULE TO FINISH IN JUNE. IT'S LOOKING REALLY NICE. IF ANY OF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO GO DO A TOUR OF IT. DRYWALLS DONE. STARTING TO WORK ON CEILINGS AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF, AND THIRD FLOOR IS COMING TOGETHER VERY NICELY. I THINK WE DID A REALLY GOOD JOB IN DESIGN UP THERE. LIKE I'VE SAID BEFORE, WE CRAM 20 POUNDS AND 10 POUND BUCKET AND WE'VE MADE IT WORK. SO JUDGE MATHIS IS VERY PLEASED WITH IT, AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A NICE ADD TO THIS BUILDING. WE HAVE THE TWO PARKING LOTS NOW OPEN TO USE. STILL DOING SOME LANDSCAPING AROUND ONE OF THEM, AND I WOULD TRY TO REQUEST PEOPLE NOT TO PULL TRAILERS INTO THE PARKING LOTS. WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO PUT SIGNS UP RESTRICTING TRAILERS IN THE PARKING LOTS. WE'VE ALREADY HAD PEOPLE RUN OVER SPRINKLER HEADS AND BREAK THEM, SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE BOULDERS OUT THERE AND THAT SORT OF THING. THAT BIG, UGLY BLUE BACKFLOW PREVENTER THAT'S IN FRONT OF THE NEW THE NEW DISPLAY SIGN ON THE STREET. I'M GOING TO LOWER THAT INTO A VAULT SO WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT THING, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME LANDSCAPING AROUND THAT. SO THAT IS THE CURRENT STATUS OF THIS PROJECT. OKAY. ITEM 31 IS WRAPPING UP THE END OF THE MODULARS. WE'RE PRETTY WELL DONE. EVERYTHING'S PRETTY WELL FINISHED OVER THERE. SO WE'VE BEEN PAYING OFF RETAINAGE. AND THERE'LL BE SOME PROBABLY I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S GOING TO BE THE NEXT PAYOUT, BUT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT GIVING A CREDIT BACK TO THE COUNTY FOR COMING IN UNDER BUDGET ON ITEM 31. SO THAT'S THE MODULAR PROJECTS THAT ARE 99.5% FINISHED ITEM. AND WE ALSO DID ALL THAT WORK ON THE 5 OR 6 COURTROOM. THAT'S ALL FINISHED. IT WAS ALSO EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL. I THINK WE'VE FIXED SOME OF OUR PROBLEMS AND CORRECTED SOME THINGS. JUDGE CHANEY SEEMS TO BE VERY HAPPY WITH IT, AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE OVER OUR HEADACHES OVER THERE. THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. SO ITEM 32 IS THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE MAINTENANCE GARAGE. AGAIN, IT IS ON SCHEDULE TO FINISH HERE IN ABOUT SIX WEEKS OR SO. AND. WE'RE ROOFING. WE ARE DRIED IN. WE GOT SOME OF THE GARAGE DOORS UP AND IT'S COMING ALONG VERY NICELY. HE'LL BE IN IT IN A FEW IN TWO MONTHS OR SO OR MONTHS OR SO. SO IT'S ON SCHEDULE AND GOING VERY WELL. AND THEN THAT BRINGS ME TO ITEM 33, WHICH WAS WE'VE I HAVE RUN OUT OF MY OWNER'S CONTINGENCY MONEY ON ITEM 33. AND WE HAD ONE, ONE MISTAKE KIND OF POP UP LAST WEEK, A WEEK OR SO AGO, WE MISTAKENLY ONLY THERE'S SEVEN

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THREE OF THE DOORS TO 12 FOOT DOORS. BROUGHT THIS IN FRONT OF LONG RANGE PLANNING LAST WEEK, AND THEY RECOMMENDED THREE INSTEAD OF ONE. THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS SEVERAL TRAILERS AND ALL THEIR HIGH WATER VEHICLES AND THINGS LIKE THAT ALL REQUIRE BIGGER THAN A TEN FOOT GARAGE DOOR. SO WE DO WANT TO BE ABLE TO GET VEHICLES INTO THIS GARAGE. SO WE'VE HAD TO PURCHASE OR I'M REQUESTING THAT WE PURCHASE THREE 12 FOOT GARAGE DOORS TO REPLACE THE THREE TEN FOOT GARAGE DOORS. BUT HERE'S SOME GOOD NEWS WE DID FIND, AND THAT'S ABOUT $34,000. THESE DOORS ARE ABOUT $12,000 APIECE. THE GOOD NEWS IS WE FOUND $20,000, $21,100 IN SAVINGS ON THE PAINTING OF THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING. THE METAL FINISH. WE'RE SWITCHING FROM A THREE COAT DOWN TO A TWO COAT. THE THREE COAT WAS EXCESSIVE. TWO COAT IS STANDARD.

AND WE COME TO FIND OUT THAT TO GET THE THREE COAT WOULD HAVE TAKEN ANOTHER 16 TO 20 WEEKS.

SO WE DON'T WANT TO WAIT TO PUT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO THEY DON'T HAVE THE CUSTOM COLORS PAINTED. SO WE'RE SWITCHING BACK TO A TWO COAT AND IT'S A $20,000 SAVINGS. SO THAT TAKES THE COST OF THE GARAGE DOORS DOWN TO $17,317. OF THAT I HAVE ABOUT 5000 LEFT IN OWNERS CONTINGENCY. SO I NEED A LITTLE HELP WITH ABOUT 12 GRAND THERE IN A CHANGE ORDER. AND THE GOOD NEWS THERE IS ROAD AND BRIDGE IS IN NEED OF BUILDING A SALT FACILITY TO STORE SALT, AND WE WILL USE THOSE THREE GARAGE DOORS ON THAT BUILDING. SO THESE THREE TEN FOOT GARAGE DOORS WILL GET REUSED. SO NOTHING IS GOING TO WASTE HERE. IT'S JUST BEING MOVED AROUND.

ANY QUESTIONS? VERY GOOD. DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR DAN? DAN JUST I WILL SAY THIS. IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING'S GOING. YOU KNOW, I DID A WALK THROUGH MYSELF ON THE THIRD FLOOR.

EVERYTHING'S LOOKING GOOD. PARKING LOT LOOKS GOOD. AND WE HAD THE PARK. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE ISSUES. AND FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT BE WATCHING, PLEASE, IF YOU'RE BRINGING A LARGE TRAILER, CAN YOU CAN STILL PARK DOWN ON THE STREET SIDE OF THE ROADS OR THE SIDE STREETS, EVEN IF YOU GO ACROSS RIGHT HERE, THERE'S A TON OF PARKING AVAILABLE BEHIND. YOU KNOW, THAT'S PUBLIC PARKING AS WELL, BUT TRY NOT TO RUN OVER. WE'RE GOING TO PUT UP NO PARKING, NO TRAILER PARKING SIGNS ON. IT'S NOT THOSE PARKING LOTS AREN'T AREN'T THEY WEREN'T MADE INTENDED FOR TRAILERS. SO EVERYTHING SEEMS TO BE PROCEEDING. AND I KNOW THE SHERIFF IS ANXIOUS TO GET HIS VEHICLE MAINTENANCE FACILITY UP AND RUNNING. SO A LOT OF A LOT OF THINGS COMING TOGETHER. THAT'S GOOD TO HEAR. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON 30, 33, 33? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE THEN. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ALL OPPOSED. 33, 33

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SO I KNOW THIS IS A TOPIC THAT IS OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME INTEREST IN JUST BASED ON PUBLIC COMMENT, AND THERE'S BEEN SOME STUFF ONLINE AND SOME OF IT NOT, YOU KNOW, MISINFORMATION OR TAKING A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING, STRETCHING IT. AND SO THE THING THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE IS, YOU KNOW WHAT WE APPROVED EARLIER. NOW THAT NUMBER HAS CHANGED. AND I WILL SAY THIS, WHEN I GOT WHEN I HEARD THAT THEY HAD GOTTEN A NEW ESTIMATE, AND WE ARE TALKING ABOUT AN ESTIMATE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION COST OR THEY HAVEN'T OBTAINED BIDS YET OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. I WAS I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED. I THOUGHT THE NUMBER WAS WAS HIGH. OF COURSE. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE OTHER PROBLEM IS WHEN YOU HIRE

[01:20:06]

EXACTLY WHAT ARE THEY ESTIMATING. WHAT IS IT EXACTLY? I KNOW THEY'RE I KNOW THEY'RE GOING TO BUY AN EXISTING BUILDING. I MEAN, WE'VE DONE THAT WITH THE ANNEX, BUT WHAT IS IT EXACTLY THAT THEY'RE MODIFYING OR RENOVATING? ARE WE TALKING A COMPLETE GUT JOB VERSUS ADDING SOME OFFICE SPACE? THERE'S KIND OF AND I HAVE BEEN YOU KNOW, I DID MEET WITH TIM JUNEK AND THEY THEY WERE HERE IN OCTOBER, I GUESS, BUT I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT ALL THAT ENCOMPASSES. AND I ALSO DON'T KNOW I KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE FINANCED AND I THINK 20 YEARS.

BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? WHAT KIND OF TERMS? BECAUSE WHATEVER THEY INCUR, THE TAXING ENTITIES WILL HAVE TO THEN INCORPORATE THAT INTO THEIR BUDGET. NOW FOR US, I CAN TELL YOU IT'S IF WE'RE LOOKING AT AND ALAN HAVE YOU I KNOW IT'S THE IMPACT TO US WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, 2.1 MILLION.

CORRECT. I MEAN, IF, IF, IF THIS IS THE ALL IN PRICE, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF I, I'M NOT GOING TO SAY A LOT THIS TIME BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ALL THE TERMS OR ALL ALL THE, ALL THE DETAIL THAT WE NEED TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT BEFORE I GO ON TO THAT, I JUST WANT TO CLEAR UP SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED AT THE OCTOBER MEETING. I WAS ASKED WHETHER IT WAS A WASH, AND YOU GOT TO REMEMBER THAT IN OCTOBER WE WERE THEY WERE ONLY THE COURT WAS ONLY ASKED TO APPROVE, I THINK, A RESOLUTION FOR 2.3 MILLION FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE BUILDING. RIGHT. AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY DETAILS OF FINANCING. SOMEONE SAID 20 YEARS IN MY EAR MIGHT HAVE BEEN TIM, I DON'T KNOW, BUT ALL I DID WAS TAKE 22.3 MILLION DIVIDED BY 20, NO INTEREST RATE, AND THAT CAME UP TO ABOUT 24,000 A YEAR AT OUR PERCENT. AT OUR COST. WE CURRENTLY PAY 21,000 OF THE RENT. SO 24,000, 21,000. THAT'S A WASH TO ME. SO THAT'S WHY WITH THAT ONLY IT'S A WASH. YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE ADDING ANOTHER 7 MILLION, EVERYBODY KNOWS IT'S NOT A WASH. SO FOR PEOPLE TO TAKE THAT OUT OF CONTEXT I THINK IS A LITTLE RIDICULOUS, BUT. RIGHT, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE DETAIL TO GIVE YOU GUYS ANY MORE. WELL, AND HERE'S THE PROBLEM IS THAT I KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT THE 30 DAY YOU HAVE 30 DAYS TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE. IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING, IF YOU TAKE NO ACTION, THEN IT'S CONSIDERED TO BE APPROVED. AND THIS IS THIS IS A THIS IS STATUTORY AND IT'S THERE SO THAT AN APPRAISAL DISTRICT, IF AN APPRAISAL DISTRICT IS KIND OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S A WEIRD BEAST, IT'S AN INDEPENDENT ENTITY. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO PAY ALL THE BILLS. SO I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY THEY, THEY HAVE THIS 30 DAY REQUIREMENT. I'M SURE IF YOU ASK THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT THEMSELVES, THEY WOULD THEY WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM GIVING US 60 DAYS OR 90 DAYS.

BUT THE LAW IS DESIGNED TO WHERE YOU CAN'T JUST, YOU KNOW, ONE TAXING ENTITY CAN'T JUST LET IT HANG OUT THERE INDEFINITELY, AND THEN IT PUTS THE WHOLE PROJECT OR WHATEVER THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IN JEOPARDY. BECAUSE AND HERE'S THE THING, TOO, I DO I AM FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY. OKAY. I THINK I SAID THAT IN MY POST. JUDGE CHENEY AND I ACTUALLY WALKED THIS PROPERTY PROBABLY OVER A YEAR AGO. AT THE TIME, WE NEEDED MORE SPACE FOR JURY ASSEMBLY. AND AND HONESTLY, THERE'S JUST NOT A LOT OF BUILDING SPACE IN HEMPSTEAD THAT ALLOWS YOU TO PUT 200 PLUS PEOPLE IN A SPACE. AND UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN YOU HAVE THREE COURTS AND YOU REALLY ONLY HAD THE 5 OR 6 AT THAT TIME, NOW WE HAVE WE HAVE THIS ROOM, WE HAVE THE 506. WE'RE NOT IN SUCH A SQUEEZE, BUT AND WE'RE BUILDING THE COURT COURTROOM DIRECTLY BELOW US. SO NOW WE WE HAVE MORE SPACE TO DO THESE THINGS. BUT

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AND WE KNOW ALL OF THAT STUFF GOING IN. BUT WHO'S GOING TO WHO'S GOING TO MANAGE THE BUILDING OF THAT BUILDING? AND IF THERE ARE OVERRUNS, ARE WE GOING TO ASSUME THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR 20% OF THOSE OVERRUNS? I DON'T THINK THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT HAS BUILT ANYTHING BEFORE. WHO'S GOING TO RUN IT FOR THEM? WHO'S GOING TO WHO'S GOING TO BE THERE TO MAKE DECISIONS ON, DO WE DO THIS OR DO WE NOT DO THIS? AND SO I'M I'M A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE FACT THAT WE'RE BASICALLY TURNING OVER HER STRINGS TO SOMEONE ELSE TO SPEND OUR MONEY, THE PEOPLE'S MONEY. AND SO UNLESS WE HAVE A MECHANISM IN THERE FOR SAYING, OKAY, WELL, WE'RE PAYING UP TO THIS MUCH AND NO MORE THEN, BECAUSE ONCE WE START CONSTRUCTION, THERE IS NO STOPPING IT, AND WE HAVE TO EAT WHATEVER. IF THERE'S AN OVERRUN, WE HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN THAT. SO I THINK PERHAPS IT'S AND I DON'T MEAN THIS IN ANY DISRESPECT TO ANYBODY, BUT I THINK IT'S BEEN TREATED A LITTLE TOO CASUALLY AS, HEY, WE WANT TO BUY THIS PROPERTY AND WE'RE GOING TO RENOVATE IT TO HERE. WELL, HOW DO YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST? YOU DON'T. BUT YET WE'RE BEING ASKED TO VOTE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR PART OF THAT EXPENDITURE. AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE MECHANISM. HOW IS THIS THING GOING TO GET BUILT? I'LL BE VOTING NO. IT'S A IT'S A MUCH BIGGER QUESTION THAN JUST HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST. RIGHT, JUDGE. MY QUESTION WOULD BE. WHAT'S THE OUTSIDE OF THE

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BECAUSE, YOU SEE, JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, THERE'S A NEED FOR GROWTH AND NEED FOR EXPERTISE. THERE'S A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL PEOPLE. BUT THE RESERVATION IS WE'RE BEING PUSHED INTO A CORNER WITHOUT ALL THE INFORMATION. WE DON'T KNOW HOW THIS WILL IMPACT OUR FEES. WE DON'T KNOW. AND. ALSO, NO OFFENSE, BUT I ONLY LIKE TO TAKE PUNCHES FOR THINGS THAT, LIKE WE DO AS A COURT AND WE GET BEAT UP PRETTY BAD HERE FOR SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE ACCUSTOMED TO IN DECLINE AS WELL. AND IT'S LIKE, HEY, WE NEED REPRESENTATION FOR THEM TO ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS. SO I, I DON'T I GUESS IF THEY NEED AN ANSWER WITHIN THE NEXT 30 DAYS, MY VOTE WILL BE NO AS WELL. BUT I WOULD ALSO BE WILLING TO, AFTER THAT 30 DAYS, TO EXTEND SOME RESOURCES AND HELP FOR THEM TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO LOOK AT POSSIBLY A BUILD OUT OF THEIR BUILDING, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BE ABLE TO HAVE SOME EXPERTISE TO HAVE SOME MORE NUMBERS THAT ARE EXACT, TO BE ABLE TO GO TO THEIR DIFFERENT TAXING ENTITIES, TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS HOW MUCH IT IMPACTS YOU OVER THE NEXT 10 TO 20 YEARS, LIKE BEING ABLE TO GIVE US A SALES PITCH AS FAR AS TO WHY WE SHOULD SUPPORT THEM. BUT IF WE HAD TO, IF I GUESS THAT WASN'T AN OPTION. WHAT? I DON'T SEE HOW WE COULD SUPPORT THIS BLINDLY. NOW CALL FOR A VOTE. GIVE ME A MINUTE. GOODNESS GRACIOUS. ON THE AGENDA. SO WHAT? WHAT IS? BECAUSE THEY HAVE CHANGED THE CONDITIONS OF WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. WE CAN ACTUALLY GO IN AND RESCIND THE VOTE OR VOTE DIFFERENTLY. IS THAT THE PREMISE? WELL, YEAH.

SO RIGHT NOW WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US IS, YOU KNOW, IT'S CHANGED. SO IT'S ANOTHER IF WE DON'T APPROVE THIS, THEN, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN GO BACK TO THE PRIOR DEAL OR NOT, I DON'T WELL, IF THEY GO BACK TO THE PRIOR DEAL AND ALL WE SPEND IS $2 MILLION, THEN WE DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THAT CAN'T HAPPEN. BUT PURCHASE THE BUILDING. AND SO I YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T CONSIDER VOTING FOR ANYTHING THAT WE DON'T HAVE SOME GOOD BACKUP FOR AS TO WHAT IS THE COST, WHERE WE CAN LOOK AT IT. AND I THINK UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK DANNY HAS PLENTY OF THINGS TO DO WITHOUT TAKING ON MORE. SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, BUT LIKE, HEY, YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH THIS, THIS AND DO THIS. YEAH. SO BUT, BUT BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THE SAME SCRUTINY THERE THAT WE HAVE WHEN WE BUILD SOMETHING OURSELVES BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING FOR PART OF IT. THAT'S TO SEE THAT THE QUESTIONS IN MY MIND, AND I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWERS TO THESE IS WHAT IS THE SCOPE OF THE RENOVATION? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THE BUILDING ITSELF, IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN INSIDE OF IT, IT'S HARD TO KIND OF DESCRIBE, BUT IT'S GOT YOU'VE GOT LIKE OFFICE SPACES AROUND THE EXTERIOR, THE PERIMETER OF THE BUILDING, AND THEN YOU HAVE A BIG KIND OF HALLWAY THAT GOES A U-SHAPED HALLWAY, AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS, THE MIDDLE PART, WHICH I ASSUME USED TO BE LIKE THE DANCE WHERE THEY HAVE THE STAGE, USED TO BE AN EVENT VENUE. THIS USED TO BE AN EVENT CENTER. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS. YOU COULD HAVE ALL KINDS OF PUBLIC EVENTS AND STUFF IN THAT BIG AREA. IT'S A LARGE, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S JUST A IF THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A TOTAL GUT AND THEN REBUILDING

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HAVE THEY, HAVE THEY DONE ANY INSPECTIONS? DO THEY KNOW WHAT THEY WANT. BUT YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW COMMISSIONER SMITH HAD ASKED LAST WHEN THEY WERE HERE LAST TIME, YOU WHAT ARE THEY PAYING VERSUS WHAT DO THEY HAVE IT APPRAISED AT. THEY'RE PAYING 2.3 MILLION ALMOST 2.3. AND THEY'VE GOT IT APPRAISED AT 1.2. SO ARE THEY DID HAVE AN APPRAISAL DONE RIGHT. BUT MY QUESTION IS IS SO ARE WE OVERPAYING. HEY THAT'S MY OR YOU KNOW, WHY WOULD YOU. THAT'S VERY SCARY TO ME KNOWING THAT APPRAISER THAT'S OUR APPRAISALS ARE THAT FAR OFF. AND SO ESPECIALLY ON COMMERCIAL STUFF, YOU KNOW WE'RE PUTTING MORE OF A BURDEN ON OUR, OUR RESIDENTS. BUT SO THAT'S ONE QUESTION I'D LOVE TO GET ANSWERED. BUT I GUESS MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS WHY DO WE NEED 11 ALMOST 12 ACRES FOR THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT? YOU KNOW, I KNOW WE LOOKED AT THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY BECAUSE WE WERE LOOKING TO EXPAND OTHER FACILITIES, BIGGER BUILDINGS. I DON'T SEE THAT THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, EVER NEEDING 11 ACRES WORTH OF FACILITIES, SOMEBODY SAID THAT THEY HAD MENTIONED ABOUT SELLING THE BACK OFF. I'M NOT A DEVELOPER, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO IN THE WORLD WOULD WANT TO GO BUY SEVEN ACRES BEHIND THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT IN THAT LOW LYING AREA. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WORTH MUCH, BUT AGAIN, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE BEST SITE. I AGREE WE'RE GROWING. THEY'RE GOING TO NEED MORE FACILITIES, BUT OUTSIDE OF THE TIME FRAME WHEN THEY'RE DOING BASICALLY WHEN RESIDENTS ARE FILING PROTEST, I DON'T GO THERE EVERY DAY. BUT EVERY TIME I'VE BEEN TO THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT, I'M THE ONLY ONE IN THERE. AND SO BUT I KNOW THEY NEED A BIGGER BOARDROOM, SO WHEN THEY HAVE THEIR PROTEST, THAT'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THERE. AND I KNOW THERE'S ROOM ON THAT CURRENT FACILITY. AND I WAS TOLD THAT THE CURRENT LANDOWNER IS WILLING TO SELL IT. THERE'S A LOT NEXT TO IT THAT THEY COULD ALMOST DOUBLE IN SIZE IN A SINGLE STORY, BUT ALSO GO UP AND THERE'S SOME LOTS BEHIND IT. SO I'D LIKE FOR THEM TO AT LEAST SIT DOWN AND AND HAVE THAT TALK AND SEE IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. THAT WAY THEY COULD STAY IN THEIR CURRENT FACILITY AND MAYBE LOOK AT JUST EXPANDING THE BOARDROOM FOR THE MEETINGS WHEN THEY HAVE THE WHEN THEY'RE DISPUTING THE TAXES DURING THAT TIME OF YEAR.

MY OTHER CONCERN ON THE NUMBER IS I DON'T THINK ANYBODY UP HERE IS A HUGE FAN OF PROPERTY TAXES, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY SOURCE OF FUNDING THAT COUNTIES HAVE. AND I KNOW AT HEARING THE GOVERNOR LAST WEEK, YOU KNOW, HE'S REALLY TALKING ABOUT LOWERING AND DROPPING OR POTENTIALLY ELIMINATING ALL PROPERTY TAXES. BUT I KNOW THERE WAS A PROPOSAL THIS YEAR WHERE THEY MAY GO BECAUSE WHEN I FIRST GOT ELECTED AND JUDGE YOU TWO, WE WERE 8% WAS HOW FAR WE COULD GO UP. I DON'T THINK WE EVER DID, BUT BUT THAT WAS THE LIMIT. NOW IT'S 3.5%, SO THEY'VE CUT OVER HALF. THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DROPPING THAT DOWN TO 1%. THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR FUNDING FOR INCREASING LAW ENFORCEMENT, JUST OUR MAINTENANCE, OUR ROAD AND BRIDGE. AND SO IF WE GO AND AGREE TO, YOU KNOW, THIS BIG NUMBER, WE MIGHT THAT MIGHT TAKE UP OUR WHOLE BUDGET INCREASE NEXT YEAR WITH GROWTH JUST ON WHAT THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT IS DOING. AGAIN, WE DON'T KNOW. THAT'S ANOTHER DO IT FOR A FIVE YEAR LOAN. THAT'S ANOTHER UNFUNDED MANDATE THAT WE JUST PUT ON OURSELVES. AND SO I JUST THINK THERE'S A LOT OF A LOT OF QUESTIONS. BUT AGAIN, I ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS I JUST DON'T SEE THAT SITE BEING THE BEST SITE FOR AN APPRAISAL DISTRICT. THE OTHER THING, TOO, MOVING FROM BEING A TENANT TO BEING AN OWNER IS A HUGE MOVE BECAUSE YOU KNOW YOUR AIR CONDITIONERS GO OUT, YOU CALL THE LANDLORD, RIGHT? AIR CONDITIONER GOES OUT. AS THE OWNER, THEY HAVE TO FIX IT. SO WHERE DOES THAT MONEY COME FROM? AND SO I WOULD RATHER OWN THAN HAVE I DON'T I BY MOVING FROM BEING A TENANT TO BEING AN OWNER, THEN WE, WE ASSUME 20% OF WHATEVER THOSE COSTS ARE FROM THE FACT THAT THEY OWN THAT BUILDING. SO I DIDN'T HEAR THAT ADDRESSED IN ANY BUDGET ITEM IN TERMS OF, OKAY, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MAINTAIN THE BUILDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO BUT OTHER THAN THE TIME OF YEAR WHEN EVERYBODY'S PROTESTING TAXES, I'VE NEVER BEEN IN THERE WHERE IT'S A FULL PARKING LOT. AND SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT. WE HAVE WE'RE GOING TO DOUBLE OUR POPULATION. BUT CAN WE, CAN WE COULD THEY NOT US,

[01:40:01]

I'VE BEEN IN THAT ROOM FOR AN ARB. IT'S TIGHT. IT'S IT'S TIGHT. SO AND THEY NEED THE OFFICE SPACE. THEY, THEY, THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO HIRE FIVE APPRAISERS. AND RIGHT NOW BECKY SAID SHE SHE'S NOT GOING TO HIRE THEM IF SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE OFFICE SPACE. YEAH. BUT AND I'M JUST LOOKING ON GOOGLE EARTH, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY COULD ALMOST DOUBLE THEIR FOOTPRINT IN A SINGLE STORY. AND I BELIEVE THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO PURCHASE THE LOT BEHIND THAT OR TWO LOTS BEHIND THAT. SO THERE MIGHT BE A FOOTPRINT THERE WHERE THEY COULD MAKE IT WORK AND GET EVERYTHING THEY NEED. QUESTION HOW LONG, HOW FAR, HOW LONG DOWN THE ROAD? BECAUSE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY HANDLE 52,000 TAX ACCOUNTS AS OF RIGHT NOW.

BUT WE KNOW WITH THE 8000 RESIDENTIAL LOTS CURRENTLY UNDER DEVELOPMENT, THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDING 80,000 TAX ACCOUNTS. AND LIKE I SAID, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY SQUARE FOOT THE BUILDING THEY'RE LOOKING AT. BUT AGAIN, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT'S CONDUCIVE TO ADDING ON DOWN THE ROAD. SO I THINK WHAT I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE IS SOMEONE NEEDS TO COME NOT ONLY WITH THE DOLLARS AND CENTS FIGURES, BUT FOR US TO HEAR THE OPERATIONS PLAN, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO USE THIS BUILDING SO THAT WE CAN LOOK OURSELVES AND SEE, DO WE THINK THIS IS JUSTIFIED OR NOT? NOT JUST, OKAY, WE NEED $2 MILLION OUT OF YOU GUYS. CAN WE HAVE IT? BUT HERE'S THE PROBLEMS WE'RE HAVING KIND OF ON A SPECIFIC, YOU KNOW, SPECIFICALLY IN TALKING ABOUT HOW THINGS SO THAT THE QUESTIONS THAT SEVERAL OF US HAVE CAN BE ANSWERED AS A PART OF THE WHOLE THING, NOT IN ANY WAY DIFFERENT THAN WHEN DANNY PROGRAMS A BUILDING AND THEY TALK ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE DOING, HOW THEY EXPECT TO GROW, AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. I MEAN, IT'S JUST PART OF THE PROCESS. AND LOOK HOW MUCH TIME WE SPENT ON DESIGN TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE BEST, MOST ACCURATE ESTIMATE WE POSSIBLY CAN, THAT IT'S GOING TO WORK STILL IS HARD FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S PART OF IT. SO IF THEY'RE JUST THROWING A NUMBER AT THE PROCESS, WE WENT THROUGH, THE FIRST PART OF THAT PROCESS WITH THE ARCHITECT IS PROGRAMING, AND THAT PROGRAMING INVOLVES VERY EXTENSIVE MEETINGS, SITTING DOWN WITH EACH DEPARTMENT HEAD TALKING ABOUT THEIR THEIR CURRENT EMPLOYMENT, WHAT THEIR PROJECTED NEEDS ARE, LOOKING AT POPULATION PROJECTIONS, ALL OF THE ABOVE. SO THAT LIKE WHEN WE DESIGN THIS BUILDING, WE OVERBUILT IT LIKE. AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE PEOPLE GO, YEAH Y'ALL. THAT THAT BUILDING'S WAY OVERBUILT. YEAH. YEAH IT IS ACTUALLY THAT IS BY DESIGN. THAT WAS INTENTIONAL. SO THAT WE'RE NOT IN THIS COURTHOUSE FOR TWO YEARS, AND THEN WE'RE ADDING A BUILDING ON THE BACK BECAUSE WE'RE OUT OF SPACE. YOU SEE IT ALL THE TIME IN SCHOOL DISTRICTS. YOU BUILD A BRAND NEW HIGH SCHOOL. AND WITHIN WITHIN TWO YEARS, YOU GOT T SHACKS OUT IN THE BACK BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T PLAN TO BUILD IT BIG ENOUGH FOR THE PROJECTED GROWTH. SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING I, I DO BELIEVE THAT I A PENNY WISE AND POUND FOOLISH. WE'VE BEEN VERY GOOD IN THE COUNTY OF NOT KICKING CANS DOWN THE ROAD. AND I HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW HOW THIS VOTE IS GOING TO GO.

AND I'LL PROBABLY BECAUSE I, I WOULD LIKE MORE INFORMATION AS WELL. AND, BUT WE JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND AND IF THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE SOLUTION IS GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND SOME MONEY TO BUILD A BUILDING THAT WILL HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR THE APPRAISAL DISTRICT FOR THE NEXT 25 TO 30 YEARS, THAT MAY BE COST EFFECTIVE OVER THE LONG RUN, BUT I STILL NEED THOSE NUMBERS TO MAKE THAT DECISION, AND I NEED TO KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO BE OPERATED, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE HOOK FOR A COST OVERRUN. IS IT GOING TO BE SEMEN AT RISK? IS IT GOING TO BE DESIGN BUILD? YOU KNOW, THERE'S AND TO THAT EXTENT, YOU'RE RIGHT. DANNY HAS A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE AND MAYBE HE CAN HELP OR ASSIST. BUT THERE'S THERE'S STILL A LOT OF

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THANK YOU SO MUCH. SAVE THE BEST FOR LAST. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY GOING TO GO YOUR WAY, BUT. WELL, THAT'S FINE, BUT I WANT TO BRING UP MY NUMBER ONE CONCERN IS DUE DILIGENCE. DUE DILIGENCE HAS NOT BEEN DONE ON THIS PROPERTY. SO MAIN THING IS THIS PROPERTY IS NOT SITTING IN THE CITY. THERE'S NO CITY PUBLIC UTILITIES. SO THAT IS A BIG HUGE PROBLEM. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ENOUGH CONCERN HAS BEEN HEADED THAT WAY. BUT NUMBER ONE, I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU IN YOUR PACKET THAT I GAVE YOU THE DRIVEWAY IS ONLY 20FT WIDE.

THAT DOES NOT WORK. I WAS AT ROYAL ISD MEETING SPEAKING PUBLICLY THE OTHER NIGHT, AND THEY SAID THAT IT WAS A TXDOT APPROVED DRIVEWAY. I DON'T SEE HOW IT IS WHEN YOU CHANGE USE, YOU HAVE TO GET A PERMIT. I JUST DON'T SEE HOW CARS ARE GOING TO GO IN AND OUT ON A 20 FOOT DRIVEWAY. ANOTHER BIG CONCERN IS THE GROUNDWATER. IT WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH BLUEBONNET WATER CONSERVATION AND ALL THOSE HAVE TO BE IT'S A PROCESS, IT'S APPROVAL. YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT'S GOING TO WORK BEFORE YOU GO AND PURCHASE A PROPERTY. THERE'S JUST NOT BEEN ENOUGH DUE DILIGENCE DONE IN ALL OF THIS. AND THEN THERE'S SEPTIC CONCERNS. THEY'RE SAYING SEPTIC IS THREE TIMES WHAT IT NEEDS TO BE. THEY'RE SAYING THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE SAME BATHROOMS. ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS CHANGE THE ADA. THERE'S JUST A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT NEED TO BE DONE. I JUST DON'T THINK THE RIGHT AMOUNT OF TIME HAS BEEN PUT INTO PROPER DUE WHAT INSPECTIONE BEEN DONE, WHO'S BEEN DOING IT? WHO'S CALLING ALL OF THESE, YOU KNOW, ENTITIES THAT NEED TO BE INFORMED BECAUSE I'M CALLING THEM AND NOBODY HAS. SO IT'S JUST CONCERNS THAT I FEEL LIKE THEY'RE RUSHING TO THIS PROPERTY SPECIFICALLY, WHERE AGAIN, I'VE STATED MULTIPLE TIMES THE CURRENT OWNER WILL SELL THE BUILDING OR HE WILL BUILD AN ADD ON WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO IF THEY WANT TO OWN IT SO BAD, BUY THE BUILDING AND BUILD A TWO STORY BUILD THAT FASTER. THAT'S THE OTHER THING. IF THEY WERE TO RENOVATE THAT, WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO IN THE MEANTIME? SHE'S SAYING SHE CAN'T ADD ON ANOTHER PERSON NOW.

YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S GOING TO BE TIME THAT'S GOING TO TAKE TO RENOVATE THAT. YOU COULD BUILD A NEW BUILDING ON THE NEW SPACE THAT'S SITTING RIGHT NEXT TO THEM AND NOT HAVE TO GO ANYWHERE. SO THERE'S JUST A LOT OF THINGS. YEAH. SO THAT'S BEEN TALKED ABOUT. SO THE ONLY THING I WILL JUST SAY ON THAT AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LOGISTICS TO EVERYTHING AND BUILDING EVEN IF THEY EXPAND THAT'S GOING TO IMPACT, YOU KNOW, YOUR OPERATIONS. AND THAT THAT BECOMES THE NEXT QUESTION. TO WHAT EXTENT AND DO YOU HAVE TO RELOCATE PEOPLE LIKE WE DID? WE TORE DOWN THE COURTHOUSE. SO WE HAD TO, YOU KNOW, RELOCATE EVERYBODY TO KISIMBA. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF RENOVATION SOMEBODY I SAW SOMEBODY ONLINE SAYING ADDING ANOTHER FLOOR. I CAN TELL YOU THIS, IF YOU'RE

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THEY'RE NOW 9000 LESS THAN A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN TEN. SO MIGHT AS WELL SAY 15,000. THE BUILDING THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS 16,000. WHY DO ALL THAT. YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S NOT BEEN UNDERSTANDING ABOUT WHERE THEY WOULD BUILD THE LAND, THE NEW SPOT. THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO COVER PARKING. THAT'S NOT TRUE. YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD ON THE DIRT THAT'S SITTING THERE NOT DOING ANYTHING ANYWAY. AND THAT IS AN OPTION. AGAIN, THEY COULD THEY COULD PURCHASE ALL OF THAT.

BUILDING IS WAY BIGGER DANNY, DO YOU KNOW THAT THE REAL BUILDING SEEMS LIKE WAY BIGGER THAN 60,000? YES. IT'S WHAT IS STATED 16,250. AND BY THE WAY, TO YOUR POINT, YOU WERE CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT THE FLOOR PLAN WOULD BE. YOUR ITEM PACKET HAS THE FLOOR PLAN OF WHAT THEY WERE GOING TO DO. SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE OTHER I MEAN, THEY WERE GOING TO MAKE USE OF THE WHOLE SPACE. BUT MY POINT IS, IF YOU TAKE WHAT THEY HAVE CURRENTLY BASICALLY 10,000FT■S AND ADD ON ANOTHER 5000FT■S, YOU HAVE 15,000FT■S AND YOU STAY WHERE YOU'RE AT AND KEEP CENTRALLY LOCATED IN A SAFE SPOT IN TOWN WITH PUBLIC UTILITIES AND NO MOLD. SO I DO WANT TO KNOW, MOVING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE GREAT TO PUT TOGETHER KIND OF LIKE YOUR TO YOUR POINT, LIKE PUT TOGETHER A COMMITTEE OR, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN HELP GO AND REALLY MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE DOING ALL THIS RIGHT. LIKE DANNY, DANNY WOULD BE A GREAT PARTNER, YOU KNOW, TO HELP BUILD SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO BE FOR OUR FUTURE, FOR OUR, YOU KNOW, THE GROWTH THAT WE HAVE COMING. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. CONCERNS. THERE'S A LONG TERM THOUGHTS AND I DO NOT SEE HOW WE CAN BE GUARANTEED. A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF YEARS. AS THE OWNER OF THE BUILDING AS A AS A TENANT. WE CAN'T BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LANDLORDS ARE MOST OF THEIR CUSTOMERS. AND WE ARE CERTAINLY. AND MOST TOWNS AS A DISTRICT HAVE OR CITY, COUNTY.

DISTRICT. WELL THAT'S TO MY POINT. SO THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT. BUT WE'RE GROWING SO MUCH AND WE'RE EXPANDING SO MUCH. WHY DON'T WE GO BACK TO WHAT WE USED TO? WE USED TO BE DOWN IN KATY, ALL THE AGRICULTURAL, YOU KNOW, ALL THE AG STUFF WAS DOWN IN KATY AT A MAYBE AN ISD BUILDING OR I'M NOT SURE. AGAIN, A LEASE BUILDING, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN LEASED. THAT'S WHY ALL OF THESE TAXING ENTITIES DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THIS PROCESS OR KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, BECAUSE IT'S NEVER HAPPENED. THEY DON'T REALIZE THAT THESE TEN TAXING ENTITIES ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE THIS POTENTIAL PURCHASE. BUT AGAIN, WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST STAY IN A LEASE POSITION? BUT AGAIN, I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT MAINTENANCE TO WHO'S GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THAT. AND IT WAS STATED THAT SHE WAS GOING TO HIRE SOMEONE TO TAKE CARE OF THE MAINTENANCE. BUT DANNY KNOWS FOR SURE TO MAINTENANCE ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT IS GOING TO BE A LOT. AND THEN. IN MY SECOND YEAR, I WAS JUST ABOUT TO SAY, COMMISSIONER, I'M WAITING ON YOU, MAN. YES, IT IS BEEN BEATEN TO DEATH. LET'S GO WITH IT. YES, SIR.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. IT'S A WASTE OF TIME. ALL RIGHT, SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND TO CALL THE VOTE. I GUESS FIRST WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THE CALL TO VOTE, OR WE CAN JUST. JUST TAKE IT UP. OKAY? SO, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. THEN. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING. ALL RIGHT, ALL OPPOSED. ALL RIGHT. THAT IS NOT APPROVED. OKAY. HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET BACK. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THEY NEED HELP. AND I HOPE THAT THEY TAKE IT AS I. WHAT I HOPE IS WHAT SOMEBODY DO IS GO BACK AND WATCH LIKE THIS VIDEO AND TAKE IT AS CONSTRUCTIVE AND PUT TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, ADDRESS THE CONCERNS. THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IF WE NEED TO REVISIT DOWN THE ROAD, WE CAN AND IT CAN BE REVISITED PRIOR TO A DEADLINE. SO YOU CAN COME BACK AND SAY, HERE'S OUR PLAN. AND IF WE GO, OKAY, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD PLAN. THEN YOU GIVE THE FORMAL NOTICE AND START THE CLOCK RUNNING, AND THEN YOU CAN GIVE OUT, YOU KNOW, AND AND WE'RE NOT. AND HERE'S THE OTHER THING.

WE'RE ONLY ONE ENTITY OUT OF TEN THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE TO VOTE TO APPROVE THIS. SO ANYWAY.

THERE'S THAT RESOLUTION. VERY GOOD. DO WE WHAT DO WE GOT ON? NOTHING. RIGHT. 36 THROUGH 41 WILL BE WITHDRAWN. MOVE. WE ADJOURN SECOND. ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO ADJOURN. ANY DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR, RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. ALL OPPOSED? MEETING IS ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.